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  Hassan's New Book: Chapter 2- What is Destructive Social Influence ?

  by flipper in

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  Scotoma-What is meant by authentic self is the person prior to "social influence". You prefer disoriented- as in confusion of time, place or personal identity? I Seems to me your view is black or white without any shades of gray. Do I misunderstand you?

  You said People high in openness to experience are always challenging the status quo and authority. They tend to be more creative and less rigid. They also tend to be liberal vs conservative.

  Do you think you are high in openness? Or are you rigid?

  Openness to experience is highly heritable. This suggests that perhaps some peoples "authentic selves" are really gullible and resistant to change. What is the source of this wisdom, please?

  Telling people how much they are loved gets them to believing lies. What? Telling them how much they are loved can get them to believing in the more conventional lies of their non-JW relatives. What?
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  Chapter 4 Hassan's New Book - Evaluating the Situation

  by flipper in

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  in chapter 3 of the book hassan talks about the use of the strategic interactive approach to reach our relatives inside cults.

  he admits that cult exiting techniques of years before were not successful such as interventions , deprogramming, exit counseling .

  with the sia approach it emphasizes teamwork between family members and reaching the cult member through love and trust building rapport with them by accessing their authentic personality.. i picked chapter 4 to use in a thread as it goes into more detail than chapter 3 about techniques to use in reaching our cult family or friends.

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  Flipper said Rip- I'm glad you're getting your old authentic personality back ! We enjoy your sense of humor !

  (Glad I'm not the only one ! You never know when I'm gonna have to prepare a defense! Thanks, Flipper!!!)

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  on page 56- What are your concerns?

  The example he used was his meeting with a cult member’s mother whom he asked, "What do you say to her when she asks what you think of her involvement with the cult?” Cult mother answered, “Well, I tell her that everything is fine, that she’s an adult and can do whatever she wants to do.”

  The problem, as Hassan points out, was that while the mother’s words were positive, she was at the same time shaking her head “No”. So her subconscious was busy at work overriding her words.

  I agree this is very important that those of us trying to help our friends and loved ones out of a cult must particularly be made aware., as OUR own body language and FACIAL expressions can belie our words.
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  Billions of dead, possibly killed by divine radiation, all of whom will need to be buried... Gerrit Losch predicts the future!

  by cedars in

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  i've finally turned my attentions away from anthony morris iii (just for the time being!

  ) and done a video about another governing body member... gerrit losch.. in this video, taken from a 2008 talk (given in sydney, australia), gerrit gives us his grim predictions for the future.... .

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4bl_hzhjzm.

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  Leslie- LOL -so funny!!! I cannot pick out anything specific. The entire song is frighteningly funny !!!
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  ...The WBT$ Governing Popes...

  by OUTLAW in

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  for a while now... i have been calling the wbt$ governing body... the wbt$ governing popes... if you go to google and type in... watchtower governing popes... then go to "images"... this is one of the photo`s that comes up... .

  do you think the wbt$ will send me... a thank you note... for making their wbt$ governing popes famous?...

  ........................ ...outlaw.

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  You're a mad genius , Outlaw!!!
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  Billions of dead, possibly killed by divine radiation, all of whom will need to be buried... Gerrit Losch predicts the future!

  by cedars in

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  i've finally turned my attentions away from anthony morris iii (just for the time being!

  ) and done a video about another governing body member... gerrit losch.. in this video, taken from a 2008 talk (given in sydney, australia), gerrit gives us his grim predictions for the future.... .

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4bl_hzhjzm.

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  Didn't that happen in Raiders of the Lost Ark?

  Anyway, what a Marooon! Aren't we all glad that he is what represents the GB of JW"s?

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  RayPub(Eric) you should send that "Bro" the link to this vid.
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  Thinking People vs.Non-Thinking People

  by minimus in

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  most jws do not think.

  they feel.

  they are told a certain thing and they simply accept it or just don't care all that much what the real facts are.

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  I don't agree with "they feel", because if they did "feel", as opposed to being told what to feel and how to feel, their compliance of shunning and accepting every untruth is from turning OFF their feelings.

  (If you're really looking for feelings - disagree with his religion &/or his politics!!! All his feelings will come out. LOL)
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  What's The Worst Thing About Being A Jehovah's Witness?

  by minimus in

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  for me, i think it's that the witnesses teach they are god's spokesman.

  they represent his "faithful & discreet slave"....and that they alone are expounders of the only truth and that if you disagree with anything they teach, you are considered worse than vomit.. it's unbelievable because these people are wrong so many times, it cannot be excused!.

  as a witness, you must accept every viewpoint and if you (and your family) do not accept it all, hook, line and sinker, you are "apostates"!!!.

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  Waiting for the "real life" and not living the one that is here and now.
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  Believing in God - Challenge

  by jgnat in

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  i invite king solomon and anyone else that is interested, to discuss if believing in god may be helpful.

  i am not restricting the discussion to the biblical god.

  i'm ready to look if this belief may be helpful both from a societal and from an individual point of view.

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  Bad weather. Having trouble today watching vids- will have to try again, manana.

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  Sol said- I dare say most everyone here has a pretty serious case of internet/JWN addiction (which makes me wonder if there's an on-line support group for internet addictions, LOL)!

  (LOL)I've actually had that conversation with another member on JWN!!!
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  It's Not Just JWs Who Practice Hateful Shunning

  by Quendi in

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  Yes, I think all the religions that use shunning as a display of tough LOVE are all practicing Hypocrites.
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  Recovery and Elephant

  by tornapart in

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  would love to see them debating in a thread with each other.....

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  It may happen "soon".